This isnt the first time Ive had a rant about Illustrator or Adobe apps in general but as Iv’e been designing some logos in Illustrator this past week and its irked me on a few occasions I thought Id share my most recent disagreements with Illustrator.
Yes, of course Illustrator has had more development time and presumably money given to it and it does indeed feel like a more polished app than Freehand (which by the way I first used at version 0.97 beta - US version. I think that was after Cricket Draw, the precursor to Quark). Freehand is also of course dead, Adobe bought Macromedia and killed it off. Finally for this little precursor to my whinging - Freehand was in my opinion at its best in version 8/9 and since then their illustration app arms race with Illustrator has just meant that its become more bloated, confusing and Illustrator-like.
Freehand never used to have the 2 cursor options which Illustrator introduced - you know, the solid cursor for objects and hollow cursor for objects’ children and points within an object. You used to in Freehand just have one cursor too and hold Option to select points within it or objects within a group - easy. Now with both Illustrator and Freehand you have a separate cursor, the hollow cursor, which is used to select these children (hierarchically speaking of course). The problem with this method (particularly that implemented by Adobe) is that you have to select another tool to swap between selecting and moving objects (really, what is the point of a tool seemingly dedicated to moving a whole object) and manipulating items within an object. What this also brings with it is the fickleness of Illustrator’s tools - if you miss what you want to select and instead click next to a line/point and you select either nothing or whats next to it. Theres no quick Tab button (like in Freehand or Quark) which deselects what youve selected, no Tab hides the palettes. If you miss an attempt to click on a point click on the line on an item means you either select the whole item and so cant move that one point or you drag the line between 2 points and your line goes all over the place.
ive also been having trouble just selecting objects to move, with Illustrator being too vigourous with the vertical layering of items, mainly it seems text. Trying to item which is clearly visible under some text, but where the text box area goes over that item means the item is selected not the text. You have to imagine a box around the text and then click outside of that but still over the item. The “select next item below” contextual item seems useless in this case. Quark’s system of holding Apple-Alt-Shift (I think it was again Option in Freehand) and clicking then cycles through these objects is much better.
Finally, the one thing that Illustrator should be great at - being after all illustration software is the drawing of the lines and curves and various bezier points. Firstly Freehand, which was and still is great at this - There’s two ways of getting a decent curve in Freehand: 1. Use the Bezigon tool (The one to the right of the pen tool here) and again hold down Option (seemingly the magic Freehand key) as you draw a shape, clicking for the points and using minimal points. Then you just use the cursor to tidy up your object as Freehand initially auto draws the bezier points, smoothing the curves and bezier handles out rather nicely; 2. This one is similar to Illustrator but for me just creates much nicer, smooth, less wayward and jagedy curves. Using the Pen tool (the one in that screen shot) just click for points and drag to create the bezier curve and its handles. Pulling the handle further from the point extends the curve. When the shape is drawn again just tidy it up. Now maybe Im wrong but I get much better curves from Freehand Than I do from Illustrator with much less fuss and hair pulling. Freehand just seems to do it whilst Illustrator is a struggle to achieve these nice smooth curves. So either Freehand has a better bezier engine or Im using Illustrator badly.
There’s plenty more that annoys me about Illustrator like: the cluttered interface; the myriad of ways of doing one thing; the inconsistencies bet it and Photoshop (take for example the great way of changing opacity in Photoshop of just clicking your mouse next to one of the percentage drop downs and simply dragging your mouse left and right. Why doesn’t that work in Illustrator?!); the broken integration between Illustrator and Photoshop where dragging/copy & pasting from Illustrator to Photoshop seems to sometimes work but if the drawing is too complicated it just falls apart. However, I wont go about those right away.
A lot of these problems (as I see them) with Illustrator have also crept into InDesign which seems to me to be simply Illustrator with a few better text options and not a lot else. How people can prefer working in it (regardless of the few bugs in Quark, but rather as a working environment) is beyond me - its just too damn finicky and fussy. But that’s probably best left for another post once I’ve used InDesign some more.
So then, is Freehand really better Illustrator? Well, as Freehand’s had no development for the past few years and even then it was a bit flakey and rough around the edges - probably not. Adobe - take a step back and remove some of the clutter from Illustrator, have your developers and artists use an old version of Freehand and learn from its simplicity. We really don’t need half the crap you’ve stuffed in Illustrator and how the hell do I edit styles and why cant I easy do tints of a process colour?



Also Illustrator has much more plugins. Technical support better, many fan sites and books of advices. It’s more developed than other similar soft
I haven’t used Freehand so I am defiently not an authority on what is best in each application, however I have some advice they may help you out with some of your Illustrator turmoils though this may depend on what version you use. I currently use CS2, but I believe this also pertains to CS perhaps even further though I’m not sure.
You spoke of Illustrators enability to hide the palettes with the tab btn, which makes me believe you are using an older version since Illustrator CS and CS2 do have that wonderful feature. In which case if you are then my suggestions may not be of any use. Hopefully someone finds this of some use.
First, about the different selection tools- one for moving and one for selecting. At first this annoyed me, but now I appreciate the two tools. It allows me to select the selection tool (V) with the knowledge that I will absolutely not be able to manipulate an objects shape. That prevents from extra key strokes to undo. Which at first didn’t bother me but now I appreciate using less strokes. In additon I can expect to be able to manipulate the objects shape when selecting the direct selection tool. Hitting on the exact location of a point enables you to manipulate that point where as selecting any line between points allows you to then see all points enabling you to best select whichever point that you feel like altering. My qualms with this tool is that I can’t see the point(s) or lines prior to selection except for the little icon that pops up to inform you when your curosor is directly over a point. At which point you frantically move the cursor back and forth to find that point or a line between points and hope you don’t have a little hand jitter when you click.
If switching between tools is annoying the direct selection tool can also be used for movements as well, you just have to make sure and select inside an object which will select all points allowing you to then move the object. Also if you are using either tool and what to momentarily switch to the other tool hold down Ctrl and the tool will change to the other. This shortcut is also great when using the pen, brush and pencil tools. When holding Ctrl down the tool will change to either the direct selection tool or the selection tool depending on which tool was used most recently. I find this little feature incredibly handy!
You also mentioned some frustration with not having a simple tab btn to deselect. I know Illustrator CS and CS2 have the option to customize
your keyboard shortucts. This not only inclues the tools but most if not all of the drop-down menu options such as deselect. It will be located in Edit>Keyboard shortcuts> Menu Commands (or tools if you want to change tool shortcuts).
I quite like the difference in the transparency palette in Illustrator since it also has the use of opacity masks to create some really great textures. I thought most versions of Illustrator had the transparency options along with the slider to change opacity, am I mistaken. If so… I am sooo spoiled, and thank goodness for that! I would cetainly miss that above many things in Illustrator.
Well I hope someone found this of some use…Happy Vectoring!
I have been using Freehand since the early 90’s. I have many times tried to swap to the more popular Illustartor. I just can’t do it. Illustrator has some neat features that blend Phototshop attributes with a vector based program, but that is about it. Freehand is better and easier in every other way. Ever since Adobe bought out Macromedia I have noticed that Illustrator tools keep creeping into Freehand which brings their annoying problems with them. I have found the best way to utilize the better features in the newer versions of freehand and bypass the problems you mentioned is to set the hot keys to Freehand 8 or 9. This allows you to take advantage of the newer features and keeps working with the program simpler. Which frees to spend more time on the design and less time on how do I that.
Quark XPress rocks! InDesign can do shit about it. Quark XPress is THE best program when speaking about desktop publishing. I’m still using v6 of Quark XPress but I’m so eager to discover the new features of v7.
Illustrator on the other hand seems to me to be a little bit better than Freehand. Not by much. They are similar but since we’re all used with Photoshop’s shortcuts I must say Illustrator beats Freehand.
I have been using Freehand since the early 90’s. I have many times tried to swap to the more popular Illustartor. I just can’t do it.
Exactly the same case here, mate!
I found this website because I was specifically looking for “problems selecting in Illustrator” Im a recent convert to Illustrator because of Freehand closing its doors. I work for a newspaper where we receive Illustrator files over the wire that need to be edited. You think working in Illustrator is tough.. try editing SOMEBODY elses screwed up files!! We have fits!!
My favorite selection tools for selecting in freehand:
Cont. Alt right click for selecting objects below the one you have selected.
Using the “~” key to select the parent group of the object you have selected… (this allows you to select a detail of your illustration.. click the “~” button and you have the group that the detail is part of .. click again and you have the parent group of THAT group etc.)
And if all these fail you still have the “Find and Replace”!!
To add to the list of qualms regarding Illustrator:
Why do they allow you to select MASKED items outside of the mask.. in other words why do I select the masked item when I am clicking outside the mask in an area with NOTHING in it?
If I wanted to select the masked object I would click on the part of the object I SEE in the mask!!
Good luck and email me if you come up with any solutions to the selection problem!
ya ive dabbled in illustrator, its ok, some cool features. although i much prefer freehand. they will make future versions of illustrator more like freehand for this reason… lets hope